[UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers

by TruthMatters, Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:00:57 AM EST

anyone watch MSNBC or Bush's speech? I can't believe it Bush just compared wanting to engage countries like Iran, as being akin to the Nazi Appeasement of the 30's the comment

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," he said, with aides telling reporters he meant Obama. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.'"

wow Bush wow.

Update [2008-5-15 9:21:47 by TruthMatters]::

Obama's Response

It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack... George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the american people or our stalwart ally Israel.




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Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 3)

It's not the first time he's used the analogy to describe anyone who doesn't take the neocon hard line on foreign policy and it won't be the last this cycle.

Which frankly is fine with me. We're becoming increasingly inured to Godwin-ing and if that's the level they want to keep it at it'll be that much easier for us to take the middle.


by werehippy on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:03:25 AM EST

Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 2)

yeah I heard the speech on XM radio

He basically is saying diplomacy is a foolish policy  and the US and Israel are the only good countries  and all the rest of the countries are evil  


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by wellinformed on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:05:21 AM EST

Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 3)

Add that to "vote for a democrat and the terrorists will attack America" which he said to Politico a few days ago and you have the GOP '04 campaign all over again.  The good news is this time America won't fall for that garbage.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:06:38 AM EST

Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

I am waiting for a McCain response, will he stand with bush thus cementing McCain-Bush, or will he throw Bush under a bus? and if so what help will Bush give when McCain throws him under a bus?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:10:03 AM EST
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Add this to your diary update . . . (2.00 / 3)

Bush vs. Obama on Israel

Bush, in his speech to Israel's Knesset, sought to push in the wedge on Israel, and security, against Obama, casting the Illinois Senator as Neville Chamberlain to his Churchill:

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," he said, with aides telling reporters he meant Obama. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.'"

Obama responded quickly:

   It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power - including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.

On the facts, Obama has advocated talking to the leaders of hostile states, but not of groups like Hamas.

By Ben Smith 09:08 AM


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:18:59 AM EST
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Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

Ben Smith is about to post the Obama response.

On to the GE!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:11:03 AM EST

Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 2)

President Bush compares Obama to Neville Chamberlain in a speech on  
foreign soil. This is shocking and cannot stick! It is sad that Bush  
would use Israel to launch a false political attack. Bush has done  
little to improve our safety, and now he is using rhetoric to damage  
our candidate. His own Defense Secretary has hinted at engagement with  
Iran. McCain needs to respond. Does he denounce this, or is he going  
to align himself with Bush?!

NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:11:59 AM EST
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Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

A Rethug Congressman said they other day "Any time George Bush Talks he swallows the microphone" - yep


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by cardboard 1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:14:47 AM EST

Strategery (2.00 / 2)

Bush is soo screwing up McCain

LOL


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:15:12 AM EST

An apology is in order (2.00 / 2)


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by lizardbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:16:20 AM EST

Will Bush get a question regarding his own (2.00 / 3)

grandfather's dealings with the Nazis???

I won't hold my breathe but I would enjoy seeing and hearing a question about that since he brought up the word Nazi


by merbex on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:19:36 AM EST

How absolutely pathetic! (2.00 / 2)

Even on blogs people laugh off comparisons to Nazis or Nazi appeasers.  George Bush is such a joke.  I can't wait until Jan. 20, 2009.  


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by nklein on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:38:54 AM EST

Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

Sounds like the same old slimy Republican attack, and the same old wimpy Democratic response.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:46:17 AM EST

Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

exactly what did you want to see in a democratic response?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:47:36 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

Anyone could write a tougher response than this.  Oh, gee, "it's sad" that I just got compared to people who appeased the Nazis.  I had thought of Obama as someone with the political courage to reframe these foreign policy issues the GOP always demagogues against us, and I'm frankly disappointed to see nothing but the standard, Kerry-like response.

Why must the narrative always be: "Republicans claim Democrats coddle terrorists, Democrats say 'no we don't'"?  What would Harry Truman have said?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:55:49 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

and exactly what kind of response would you have liked to see?

you write me a political response to this, and you have 4 minutes (thats how long it took the Obama camp to respond after it broke, or at least thats how long it took before they quoted a response.)

because not like Obama could actually say Bush is an idiot, we can, but the nominees have to show respect, so please, what is the better response?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:58:08 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

Grow up.  You think I'm going to do your little homework assignment just so you can tell me "no, I don't like your response, Obama's was much better"?

I'm extremely disappointed in what's happened to progressives during this campaign.  We used to be able to call out Democrats for these weak and ineffective responses that do nothing to deter further Republican demagoguery.  But because it's Obama, Greatest Candidate Ever, all of a sudden people are swooning and saying how they can't wait for more responses just like this in the GE.

I can't believe your only defense of his response is "hey, unless you can be a better presidential candidate than him, you're not allowed to criticize."  Sheesh.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:10:20 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

Apart from it being a weak response , it was bizarre.

Hasn't he been advocating he as president will talk to the terrorist regime in Iran one on one in his first year without precondition ?


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:13:33 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

you call it a weak response but then that means you should be able to say what would make it better.

you say its weak but can offer in 1 way how it could be improved upon?

I think it was a fine statement and have no problems with it, you have problems with it but can't say what should be changed.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:23:25 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 2)

You can't understand the concept that I feel it should be tougher?

Tell me, did you think John Kerry was effective in responding to the Republicans who accused him of coddling terrorists?  If you did, awesome.  My disappointment is that the same progressives who have been critical of Democratic spinelessness in the past suddenly fall over themselves in adulation when Obama reads from the exact same hymnal.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:28:09 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

You might be expecting too much from Obama.

Check out his response to the 3 am ad , its the standard John Kerry Line " politics of fear " which is just pure garbage to me.

If this election is fought on National Security between John Mccain and Obama , democrats would be in trouble.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:38:34 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

I felt the part where he tried to bring it back to the Iraq war and argue that he has the "judgment" to answer the 3am call was much more effective.  However, while the Kerry-like stuff may get us nowhere in a GE, I guess it has some value in a Democratic primary where you can find enough people to say yeah, I agree national security should be off the table.

Frankly, I think it's humorous that anyone could describe an ad as innocuous as the 3am ad as "fearmongering."  But hey, this is my party, you gotta love 'em.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:45:31 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (1.00 / 2)

Obama has painted himself into a corner.  There is no 'right' response for him.


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by switching sides on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:01:06 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

When you claim you want to sit down one on one as president with Ahmadinejad and Kim Jon ill in what is one of the dumber political moves of recent memory there is not much retort you can come back with other than the one he gave.

His campaign is looking for ways to wiggle out of the position because it would not work in a general election.

It is worse than Kerry like because it is not even sensible foreign policy.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:08:42 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

Well, he comes across as very schizophrenic on the issue.  One day, you're Bush-lite if you don't support talking to Ahmadinejad without preconditions, and the next day, well of course I'd never talk to Hamas unless they renounced terrorism.  Heck, I wasn't in favor of talking to the IRA, but somehow we resolved that situation.

I'm more liberal than you are on these issues, and I try to avoid criticizing candidates for taking liberal positions, but God, at least have the guts to defend the position!  Standard Democratic behavior is to take a liberal position and then spend the rest of your life trying to back away from it.  I hate it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:15:22 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

I don't believe talking to these dictators one on one at the presidential level is a liberal policy .

I don't think he himself believed in his position , it just happened to fall in line with his new kind of politics within the democratic primary with a substantial number of folks who believed it .

In a general election he would have to find a way to defend his position which is all on tape on several occasions.

That kind of policy defies common sense and it would probably not be helpful in the general.

He is trying to back away from it now and that would cause him more grief because all you have to do is run the ads of him saying.  


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:34:21 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

It's liberal in the sense that one end of the spectrum says "war is always the best solution" and the other end says "diplomacy is always the best solution."  Obviously when I call myself a liberal I'm not saying that I go all the way to the polar extreme.

I felt both Clinton and Obama were guilty of a little political opportunism on the original debate question.  I felt Obama was basically articulating the mainstream Democratic position - we'll try to find a non-military solution if we can - and Hillary was doing a bit of point-scoring by making it sound like he really, literally agreed with every aspect of the question and would meet with all these people in his first year with zero preconditions.  In other words, I thought Obama was addressing the spirit of the question and Hillary was holding him to the letter.

But then Obama actually decided to stick to his guns, and stand by the answer 100% as he called Hillary "Bush-lite" for disagreeing!  I was really surprised that he did this, as the literal answer is, as you say, an indefensible position.  I consider it a political weakness of Obama's, the inability to choose his battles more carefully.  It's like the flag pin thing, a completely self-inflicted wound that he didn't have to let happen.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:41:04 AM EST
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Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

You are right he got tangled up in that debate , of course Hillary Clinton played her part in it .

I remember his camp actually rejected the implication immediately after the debate at an attempt at damage control , after days of attacks , he realized he had an opportunity in the primary to turn it into his new kind of politics thing.

He even said he wasn't afraid to lose a PR war to the dictators at a rally .

In terms of the liberal policy thing I understand what you are saying , but what I am pointing out is I don't think there would be too many serious liberal foreign policy thinkers out there that would advocate the president meeting personally one on one without preconditions with these guys , you can do that at a lower cabinet level , but to suggest the president should do that is startling to me.

The flagpin was a no brainer , not a fight he should have picked at all.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:54:36 AM EST
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Re: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

It's just a tactic for AIPAC controlled campaign funding. McCain will probably not respond or merely reiterate his own attacks on Iran.


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by shergald on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:05:26 AM EST

ding ding ding (none / 0)

We have, to the best of my knowledge, the first time a President has ever breached Godwin's Law.

Well done, Mr. President.

For your next trick, I hope you'll decide to disappear... 8 months ought to do it.


by zonk on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:15:27 AM EST

Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (none / 0)

Laughable that Bush would use the remark from a long dead Republican Senator in an attempt to smear Obama:

    William Edgar Borah, senator from Idaho 1907-1940 (http://en.wikipedia.org/...)
"Lord, if I could only have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided." --September 1939, upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland.

Maybe his speech writers need to do better research. What a disgraceful way to inject himself in a Presidential debate. And to do it in Israel no less.


by Bastet on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:18:47 AM EST

We should be outraged. (none / 0)

This is a false political attack.  But no, this web site, dedicated to electing Democrats, chooses to spend its time wallowing in meaningless diaries that encourage intra-party divisiveness.  We should never allow this kind of remark to go unchallenged.

Thanks for the heads up.


by temptxan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:03:58 AM EST

Duhby's idiotic atempt to smear Obama with Jews (2.00 / 1)

won't work.


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by Lefty Coaster on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:10:17 AM EST

Re: [UPDATE]: Bush: Obama is like Nazi Appeasers (2.00 / 1)

This is absolutely disgusting.


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