McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq plan

Video when it comes, but just now on MSNBC, showing McCains speech at the NRA.

McCain attacked Obama for saying he would withdraw immediately no matter what, even if Military advisers were against it.

1 problem this was HILLARY's stance, that she would withdraw even if her Millitary advisers were against, it, she said its the President who sets the agenda.

now whether Hillary was right or wrong, (for the most part I think she is right, but I think she would listen more to her advisers then she lets on)

the point is, McCain in order to hit back at Obama, hits him for SOMEONE else's policy stance. how do you spin when you completely get wrong your opponents position? I can't wait to see McCain surrogates spin this when someone in the Media finally catches up and points it out.

Update [2008-5-16 17:11:3 by TruthMatters]:: ok maybe this isn't getting through, its NOT about it being Hillary's plan, its that McCain is attacking Obama for something Obama never said. This was McCain's response to Obama's speech and presser today, to confuse quotes and attack the wrong person. this diary points out that in the next round of this dust up on Foreign Policy, McCain screws up royally, could you imagine if Obama giving a speech misquoted a Romney policy position and said it was McCain's?



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Re: McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq (2.00 / 1)

McCain has lost it. The repugs are concerned with their nominee.
They blew it big time. He misspeaks and misremembers at least twice a day.

Let's see what Clinton suporters have to say about this.


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by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:53:55 PM EST

Re: McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq (none / 0)

Plus the fact that he is so closely tethered to the Iraq War.  Romney and Huckabee would have been pushovers due to their own long list of faults, but at least they could kind of absolve themselves of Iraq.

McCain IS 100 years in Iraq.


by Skaje on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:09:24 PM EST
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Leave Hillary alone (2.00 / 1)

it's time to focus all of our attention on McSame and Chimpy.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:56:59 PM EST

Oh, Okay - get it (2.00 / 2)

Wow!

Another "confused" moment

Damn.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:16:17 PM EST
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Old man yells at cloud (2.00 / 2)

In McCain's day, you tied an onion to your belt.  It was the latest style, you see...


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:57:20 PM EST

nice AbeMcCain reference (none / 0)

mojo.


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by Student Guy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:16:30 PM EST
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I'm confused ... (2.00 / 2)

I thought that Obama said that he would withdraw the Iraq troops within 16 months (minus a force to protect the embassy, etc.)? Are you saying that he, unlike Hillary, would not withdraw troops if his military advisers recommended against it?


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:59:57 PM EST

Re: I'm confused ... (none / 0)

You can read my post just beneath yours as your answer.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:02:24 PM EST
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Re: I'm confused ... (none / 0)

no Hillary said we are withdrawing no matter what and no matter what military advisers say, McCain just attacked Obama saying this is what Obama said.

my point is, McCain screwed up who said this and is attacking the wrong person.

once its pointed out, how will McCain defend it?


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:02:53 PM EST
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Re: I'm confused ... (2.00 / 1)

I don't think McCain will need to defend his attack unless Obama clarifies his position and explains that his position is different from Hillary's. As it is, I think that most people believe that Obama holds the position that McCain describes.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:57:15 PM EST
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Re: I'm confused ... (none / 0)

I agree. And many people think that Obama's Iraq position is Hillary's. Same objective, same party, they are both going to do what needs to be done. That is not saying 100 more years then saying I think we can "win" in Iraq in 5 years. But the point is that McCain doesn't know what to say or think unless a monitor is rolling or cue cards are provided.


by Jeter on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST
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Re: McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq (2.00 / 1)

Hillary is right, by the way.  The civilian leadership sets the goals, and the military carries them out.  This is also Obama's position, but he doesn't have to dove it up as much (and then hawk it up to compensate) because his anti-war bonifides are already in place.

And John McCain is an idiot.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:01:33 PM EST

Re: McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq (none / 0)

like I said I don't want to debate the differences of their plan it doesn't matter

the point McCain is attacking Obama for something he never said, and is confusing who he is quoting, its funny to say the least.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:03:53 PM EST
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what is the response? (2.00 / 2)

Now you can respond and say "that was HRC's plan, so shut up!", or you can come up with clarity on Obama's plan.  

Just shifting the focus to HRC is exactly what McCain wants you to do, so your guy is left without a forum to define his strategy himself.

I like HRC's plan. She's been upfront about it.  I have not heard the same clarity from Obama. This is his chance.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:06:28 PM EST

Re: what is the response? (none / 0)

I don't care about the actual plan the point is McCain is attack Obama for another democrats plan, what do you think they would do if Obama start attacking McCain for a Romney policy position? thats my point.

his response to Obama's responses today, he screws it up.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:09:05 PM EST
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Re: what is the response? (none / 0)

Truthmatters has convinced me not to take this up.

But you have it backwards.  In another thread I may explain why, if it comes up.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:18:54 PM EST
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Re: McCain (2.00 / 1)

Actually Hillarys position is that the new president would need to sit down with the JCOS before being able to make withdrawl plans.

This was slammed as some kind of pro-war stance instead of common sense.


by J Rae on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:07:55 PM EST

Re: McCain (none / 0)

No, that's her old position.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:18:05 PM EST
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He's an incompetent sacrificial lamb (2.00 / 1)

The GOP will blame the Dems for everything bad and hope that the country has short enough memories that such a tactic will work and they can make a comeback asap.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:10:32 PM EST

Re: McCain just attacked Obama, (2.00 / 1)

McSame is showing signs of losing it. He does seem to have some little fluff or other every day which reminds me of Bob Dole. It's also clear his grasp of complicated policy issues is almost as shaky as Bush's. At the moment he's not under the kind of spotlight he will be in about 45 days and as the campaign goes along he's going to get tired, he is 71 years old after all, and this is going to make the possibility of more and more fluffs very likely. I actually have quite a lot of respect for the guy although it's been badly eroded by his pandering. It's hard to believe some of the gilt hasn't come off his gingerbread already and with this little clanger Bush dropped yesterday which Obama I have to say hit right back at him and McSame it's going to put McSame on the defensive. And btw who dreamed up the moniker McSame. It's brilliant. In one word it hangs bush baby right around his neck and poses the question do you want another Bush term.    


by ottovbvs on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:14:03 PM EST

McCain. Memory. Not so good. (none / 0)

Shiites. Sunni. 'Nuf said.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:25:17 PM EST

Re: McCain just attacked Obama, for Hillary's Iraq (none / 0)

It's a tactic that causes confusion amongst voters. Many voters are not exactly clear as to what the specifics of many of the candidates are. THis is another typical Republican playbook tactic that we must respond to appropriately. Attacking McCain about his Hamas attacks was a great first start. Although I did rant yesterday about providing a more robust response, every Democrat who said something about Bush's (i don't even know what pejorative to call what Bush does or says at this point)dumptaking at The Knesset hit a home run. So, back to the campaign of Democrats exposing some more awful truths about Republicans. We'll be doing a lot of forcing the media to cover a lot of McCain and company's incompetencies and lies.


by Jeter on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:22:03 PM EST

The diary is clumsy (none / 0)

The point is that this diary is a very clumsy way to hit out at McCain. It's confusing, and leads to an assumption that Obama's position may not be as anti-war as it seemed to be. I reject that, but I could see how others can conclude that. I'm sorry to say that the diary is clumsy in it's attempt to hit McCain, but that's the way it reads. I think if you want to hit out at McCain, it should be clear, without any need to clarify.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:40:29 PM EST


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